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The following is an excerpt from the plenary session discussion of the paper, "Creating Autonomous National and Sub-Regional Microcredit Funds," written by Dr. Salehuddin Ahmed, Managing Director, Palli Karma Sahayak Foundation (PKSF), Bangladesh. John de Wit, Managing Director from the Small Enterprise Foundation, South Africa, moderated the discussion. Joining Dr. Ahmed as panelists were Sizwe Tati, Managing Director of Khula Enterprise Finance Ltd., South Africa; Benedict Kanu, Senior Economist, African Development Bank; Mathieu Soglonou, Acting Manager, Consortium Alafia, Benin; and Peter van Rooij, Microfinance Specialist, ILO and UNHCR.

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Creating Autonmous National and Sub-Regional Microcredit Funds

John de Wit
Moderator, John de Wit

Dr. Salehuddin Ahmed, Managing Director, PKSF, Bangladesh:

I’ll give you some of the general highlights of the paper and then go to a few specific issues. First, the goal of microcredit is to really reach the poorest of the people; this is the major task of microcredit funds.

Salehuddin AhmedSome research argues that in the absence of good enterprise, in the absence of good NGOs, a microcredit fund will not work. I do not think this is true. You can start with a few, and your job will also be to create some new ones. I have argued that together with the credit [delivery] component, you must also have an institutional-development component and a capacity-building component. This is what we have done.

I have seen many research papers that say many of the apex organizations in the world have failed, except PKSF. My answer to that kind of criticism is none of the apex organizations studied by those researchers were designed as apex organizations. In fact they were donor-driven, project-based organizations, which, because of changing roles, became microcredit [funds]. You cannot expect some fruitful result from an institution not initially designed to be a microcredit institution. But PKSF, on the other hand, was designed from the very beginning to be a microcredit [fund]. So, you have to remember that, in order to create a fund, you cannot change the project overnight into an MFI. I have seen a big study, conducted by CGAP, where they studied those apex organizations that failed; but my argument is that those are not the best organizations. Some give the example of BRI in Indonesia. But actually, Bank Rakyat Indonesia is not for the poorer people. It is a banking institution. It mobilizes savings from anyone who comes; it gives loans to anyone who wants, so you can not give the example of BRI as a successful microfinance institution for poorer people. So, the argument that without apex institutions, poor people will be taken care of really doesn’t hold. This is what I have argued in the paper.

Sizwe TatiSizwe Tati, Managing Director of Khula Enterprise Finance Ltd., South Africa:

I think by and large, from Khula’s perspective, we have found the paper to be in line with exactly how our own organization is structured, starting from the purpose from which one needs to create an apex or host a funding organization.

Apexes have been established for many years. There are loud voices talking about how they have failed and very few voices about how they have succeeded. The quest, at least from Khula’s perspective, is to see standardized benchmarks of how efficient apexes run. What are the standards we need to look at from our own efficiencies, the service to our intermediaries, the impact that we create, and the relationship to our funders? Surely we can create some fundamental benchmarks which can be universal. There is usually a conflict where apex institutions have to render technical assistance but at the same time become a lender in the market. An apex has to find a very strong, structured way to deal with that conflict.

The final point is quite fundamental. An apex must be structured on the basis that it must be self-sustainable. It cannot afford to set benchmarks of self-sustainabilty if it itself is not [built] upon self-sufficiency.

Benedict KanuBenedict Kanu, Senior Economist, African Development Bank:

First I would like to congratulate Dr. Ahmed for what I believe, and what we from the African Development Bank believe, is a very well researched, very well-presented paper on establishing microcredit funds. We subscribe, in general, to all aspects of the paper.

Second, we believe that the conditions to be fulfilled for a good national microfinance fund should vary depending on the size of the country and the existence or absence of a network of institutions capable of providing the financial and advisory services proposed. Dr. Ahmed’s paper should make this very clear.

We also feel that, in addition to the conditions presented by Dr. Ahmed in his paper, it would be necessary for a microcredit fund to support the establishment of a network of local and field offices through which the fund would operate. Of course, this fund would operate in accordance with a measure of autonomy. The branches should be decentralized to branch managers with regards to project appraisal, grant, and application assistance to entrepreneurs.

Furthermore, we believe that the paper presents very good evidence from Asia, Latin America, and Bosnia Herzegovina. However, it does not present case studies from Africa. We find this very disturbing because we are here hosting the Summit in Africa. We have the original African mandate at the African Development Bank and believe that it would be one-sided to make conclusions or propose strategies based purely on studies carried out outside Africa. We would want to see Dr. Ahmed revise his paper such that it would reflect Africa’s experience. We also feel that the paper should encourage and succinctly state that it would encourage microfinance institutions to form formal and informal associations so as to improve their bargaining power with regards to their portions of input and scale of their output. In addition, we strongly believe Dr. Ahmed should include some research on how a microfund at the national level could function as a central controlling authority for microcredit institutions in any given country.

Mathieu Soglonou, Acting Manager, Consortium Alafia, Benin:

In general, creating autonomous funds is necessary for the reinforcement of the role of MFIs in the reduction of poverty. Dr. Ahmed’s paper is well structured and well-thought out; however, I have some specific comments that I would like to make. In my first point, I would say that national funds will be easier to mobilize and manage than the sub-regional funds. The engagement of the public authorities will depend on the direct effect that the investments will be able to have in their respective countries. Secondly, a body should be created to prevent conflict and act as an arbitrator, for example, an ethics committee. Also, in order to limit the risks of conflict and to better distribute the funds, it will be important to implement a system to promote better practices for MFIs. There could be an evaluation, a rating system, for those interested MFIs, and the most deserving organizations would receive the funds.

My third point is that the large diversity of MFIs configuration and methodology must be taken into account by creating some type of all-inclusive evaluation, an evaluation for NGO multi-services, credit mutuals, and direct credit institutions, whether in urban or rural areas. In our opinion, the three points in common would be: governing, financial performance, and management information systems.

Peter van RooijPeter van Rooij, Microfinance Specialist, ILO and UNHCR:

My career relates more to information regarding the exact advantages of microcredit funds. In the case of the PKSF we have some insight into the cost of operation as well as the opportunity cost (i.e., the comparison between the microcredit fund and its next best alternative).

First inquiry, what are the alternatives to microcredit funds to make it more of a contribution? I would suggest we could include a more marketable approach to financial intermediation as one such alternative. In the executive summary there is a reference to the need to mix the state, civil society, and the private sector. Dr. Ahmed mentioned that in his presentation as well with regards to desired ownership of a microcredit fund. I wonder why a private sector approach may not be just as good, if not better?

There is also the reference to rating microcredit institutions at a more mature stage. What would be the conditions for such functions to start; and do individual microfinance institutions already qualify for tapping private capital markets?

In addition, microfinance industries of some countries without an apex body seem to be developing well, therefore possibly questioning the prerequisite of a microcredit fund. With respect to government support, I wonder whether it is possible to classify what types are required, which ones are helpful, and which ones are counter-productive, or in other words, the shoulds, the coulds, and the could nots.

Would it be an option to consider having more than one microcredit fund in one country for reasons of specializing in different types of microfinance institutions, geographic location, competition, etc?

In conclusion, I would be interested to learn more about the weaknesses of microcredit funds, possibly based on examples from practice.

Question: The major challenges of government-sponsored MCIs have always been receiving funds from the government while keeping the institution insulated from the government involvement. Can you kindly share your experience of managing to secure funding from the government while keeping government out of your governing structure?

Salehuddin Ahmed:
I can share PKSF’s experience. Yes, it is a government sponsor. There was a strong need for microcredit in Bangladesh, and what was the alternative impact, alternative results of other funding agencies? The government was really convinced that microcredit was an effective tool to raise the poorest people [out of poverty]. They had already experienced getting their hands burned from commercial banks, so the government was really convinced that there should be an autonomous fund. We started with a small amount [of money], only $3 million. Then we really evolved, in four or five years, it was a gradual thing. Up until 1996, the whole safe of PKSF was only about $25 to $30 million. But after 1996, after having set up all kinds of standards, we really grew and increased to $180 million. Again, in the next four years, we shot up to $350 million. The government is now really convinced (although it [was] not easy to get them to this stage); you have to show by your own performance. But as we have shown, the government is not always as it is thought to be; they can give you free hands.

The full text of this paper is available at www.microcreditsummit.org/papers/fundspaper.htm